I don’t personally like guns, and I think we would both agree that we don’t like the idea that unstable people can sometimes have access to them.
However, there are a few points that I think we differ on, so let’s take a look at the video:
For example, at 4:45-5:05 You say “The realization that the only reason that the alleged shooter was able to kill and wound so many people is because he could fire thirty bullets before he stopped to reload, because he had a high capacity magazine that would not have been legal for him to buy had the ban on that not expired in 2004…”
Let me be clear Rachel, that’s YOUR realization. My realization is that is certainly not the “only” reason. The reality: It doesn’t take a gun expert to know that with a gun like that, it only takes a few seconds to unload and reload a new clip. Or to un-holster a second gun, how about a third?
Alright, so you get into your point about 5:30 that “We can’t do anything about guns?” Why not? There is always time for healthy, logical debate. How about instead we try not to rush to judgment since this just happened. A radical assertion? So if you were dictator for a day, would you have passed a gun ban last Tuesday without warning?
I would think that putting hasty new restrictions on gun laws during a time of record-level national dissent and distrust of government could end up becoming the powder keg that starts a very confusing and unnecessary revolution.
6:30 – 7:55 here are three men’s opinions I completely agree with. However, you refer to their opinions as a radical view? And that they are “radicals” on gun policy? Our forefathers put the second amendment in the constitution for a reason.
“No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” –Thomas Jefferson
“…to disarm the people – that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” –George Mason
“The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms” –Samuel Adams
“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them.” –Richard Henry Lee
These quotes and more here.
6:45-7:05 here is something I have a huge problem with: Representative Broun clearly says the word, “protect.” And you deliberately twisted that into the word “overthrow.” You even smugly read it off your own notes, and even emphasized the word! You openly lied! Not only did you LIE, we see your true colors on this issue, and it’s far from an objective view now isn’t it?
So at 8:44-10:00ish, you begin to make your big point that is so far-fetched and idiotic that I actually felt a little embarrassed watching you go through that with a straight face. Are you under control by the powers that be Rachel? Or do you really believe your own BS? You actually say (at 8:44) that anyone with the “radicals” like Rep. Broun, Ron Paul, or Alex Jones wants to overthrow the government?
At 9:04 you also said “…because in their view, to do right by the constitution, you and I need to be able to defeat the U.S. military in battle! We need to overthrow the U.S. government!” Rachel, since you didn’t give us any examples, I’m curious; is it even possible to support the second amendment without being a radical revolutionist?
These men are not radicals, but you’re certainly trying very hard to make people think they are. However, your argument is so absurd that you literally have to lie to try to make them look bad!
What happened in Arizona was a horrible tragedy, but like it or not, guns are here to stay.
I don’t like the idea either, but I have a solid understanding of history, and our forefathers created the second amendment for very good reason. When a country’s government is corrupt, and its people have no ability to protect themselves, history shows that tyrannies have a tendency to emerge.
Therefore, looking at history, and looking at the rest of the world in the present, it could be said that the primary reason we are not under a tyranny right now is because of the Bill of Rights. This document is what made America great, and this is what made our forefathers great. Not only did they put a system in place that relied on checks and balances between the three branches of government, but we can almost think of the Bill of Rights as a system of checks and balances between the government and its people.
The history of human government is so tyrannical, that our founding fathers literally had to escape from Europe and start their own country! And they still had to have a revolution to keep it! Then they wrote the Bill of Rights to protect the people so that they would never again be subjugated to the horrors of an oppressive regime!
Rachel, maybe you trust the government and believe your own BS, but I think the majority of the rest of us do not. Not only is it quite clear to me that these “radicals” seem to know a little bit more about history and American patriotism than you do, they don’t need to make things up and lie to make their points about it.
(originally posted 1-18-11)